Star and Planetary Formation – Creation Perspective

Posted by on Aug 12, 2014 in Marianis from the Front, The Biggest Challenges to Evolution | 2 comments

 

Creation Answer:

In order for stars to start forming, there must be gas clouds that can be compressed. The possibilities for compression can be:

  • a nearby supernova (exploding star),
  • dust grains from a supernova that cool and compress the gas cloud,
  • colliding gas clouds, like galaxies colliding,
  • black holes, which may emit jets of high-speed material that will compress the gas cloud, or
  • radiation from other nearby stars may compress the gas cloud.

 

In each of those possibilities, “they all require stars to exist before more stars can be made.”[i] “First of all, if the collapsing cloud theory can’t even explain the sun alone, then it is doomed from the start. To form the sun, or any star, a cloud must be dense enough to collapse and compress the interior so that it becomes hot enough for nuclear fusion to start.”[ii] “Interstellar gas clouds are too large and diffuse for gravity to overcome gas pressure. So they won’t collapse and form stars – they’ll disperse instead.”[iii] “The origin of stars represents one of the most fundamental unsolved problems of contemporary astrophysics.”[iv] “There are so many uncertainties in this picture that at present we do not really have a theory of star formation.”[v] “We’re starting from a shaky foundation…we don’t understand how a single star forms, yet we want to understand how 10 billion stars form.”[vi]

“Astronomers frequently report about ‘new stars’ or ‘young stars’ that they assume formed over the last few million years. Naturalistic astronomers would say that stars can form in the present from clouds of dust and gas in space. No one has actually seen these stars form. They are assumed to be young because of their location near gas and dust clouds where astronomers think that stars form.”[vii]

“Evolutionary scientists would expect that in millions of years, dust very near the star would be driven away or would be vaporized…Recent research on dust disks has turned up examples of stars that according to accepted ideas of stellar evolution are old, yet they are observed to have extensive dust disks.” They have “found some young stars missing discs and some old stars with massive discs.’”[viii]

So can stars still form? “Some creation scientists might argue that stars could not form after the Creation Week. However, others would say that stars could form after the Creation Week, but would argue that the naturalistic origins theories accepted today are not adequate explanations of the process.”[ix]

Can planets form? Gas by nature, especially hot gas, wants to expand more than gravity will be able to hold it together, because gravity is a very weak force. One scientist says “talk about a major embarrassment for planetary scientists. There, blazing away in the late evening sky, are Jupiter and Saturn – the gas giants that account for 93% of the solar system’s planetary mass – and no one has a satisfying explanation of how they were made.”[x] Gravity will not even be enough to keep two objects together when a collision happens. When two rocks hit each other, they will break up and fly away from each other unless it is the smallest collision possible (like a gentle side-swiping accident) or if there is magnetism involved. Gravity is not strong enough even to clump rocks together to make planets. Reading naturalistic explanations of the origin of stars and planets, one can easily see that gravity is the main hero of the plot, but gravity simply is not that mighty. “To sum up, I think that all suggested accounts of the origin of the solar system are subject to serious objections. The conclusion in the present state of the subject would be that the system cannot exist.”[xi]

Ultimately, stellar evolutionists have to make a lot of assumptions about the history of the universe, the solar system, the sun, the earth and so much more. Even studying the chemical composition of the Earth and the Sun has brought up challenges to the stellar evolution model. Some elements are created in stars like our sun, but elements heavier than iron are made and spread throughout the universe by supernovae (exploding stars). For our solar system to get the heavy elements that it currently has, many nearby stars must have exploded over billions of years to provide a rich dust cloud where our sun and solar system could form. Surprisingly, scientists have “found abundances of heavy elements” in old galaxies, but “the chemistry of galaxies should have been fairly primitive.”[xii]

Also surprising to secular scientists is that in studying the composition of the sun, they found different variations of oxygen and nitrogen in the sun as compared to the Earth and other objects. “These findings show that all solar system objects including the terrestrial planets, meteorites and comets are anomalous compared to the initial composition of the nebula from which the solar system formed.” In other words, our dust cloud (now solar system) should still have the same compositions, but that is not the case. NASA Genesis Mission investigator Kevin McKeegan says, “The implication is that we did not form out of the same solar nebula materials that created the sun — just how and why remains to be discovered.”[xiii]

Consider Mercury as another example. Since Mercury is so close to the center of the dust cloud (now the sun), it should not be that dense and it should not have sulfur, but it does. Mercury should not even have a magnetic field, but it does. In fact, magnetic fields all over the solar system are challenging to the stellar evolutionary worldview.[xiv]

There are even more examples that suggest that stellar evolution is not possible. The sun is tilted respective to the orbits of the planets, which should not be possible. Uranus and many of the moons in our solar system rotate the opposite way.[xv] The sun should be spinning much, much faster… but it does not. “Evolutionists have tried to solve this problem, but a well-known solar system scientist, Dr Stuart Ross Taylor, admitted when discussing the angular momentum problem that “a predictive theory of nebular evolution is still lacking.”[xvi]

According to the Bible, planets and stars were created on the fourth day of creation. “Although the Bible doesn’t specifically say ‘planets,’ it is correct to say that the Hebrew word translated “star” included the planets.”[xvii] God created the stars and planets, they couldn’t just form naturally. “The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.” (Ps 19:1, NASB)

 

What the Bible Says: Psalm 19:1, Psalm 8:3, Gen 1:14-16 Gen 1:19

 

by Brian Mariani and others

 

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[i] Spike Psarris, What You Aren’t Being Told About Astronomy, Vol II Our Created Stars and Galaxies, Creation Astronomy Media, DVD, 2012.

[ii] Jonathan Sarfati, Solar system origin: Nebular hypothesis, July 2010, Creation 32(3): 34-35, Creation Ministries International, http://creation.com/nebular-hypothesis, accessed June 20, 2014.

[iii] Spike Psarris, What You Aren’t Being Told About Astronomy, Vol II Our Created Stars and Galaxies, Creation Astronomy Media, DVD, 2012.

[iv] Charles J. Lada and Frank H. Shu, The Formation of Sunlike Stars, May 4, 1990, Science 248: 564

Spike Psarris, What You Aren’t Being Told About Astronomy, Vol II Our Created Stars and Galaxies, Creation Astronomy Media, DVD, 2012.

[v] Middlehurst, Barbara M., and Aller, Lawrence H., Editors. Nebulae and Interstellar Matter. 1968. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, p. 58.

Spike Psarris, What You Aren’t Being Told About Astronomy, Vol II Our Created Stars and Galaxies, Creation Astronomy Media, DVD, 2012.

[vi] Carlos Frenk, as quoted in Irion, Robert. “Surveys Scour the Cosmic Deep,” March 19, 2004, Science 303:1750.

Spike Psarris, What You Aren’t Being Told About Astronomy, Vol II Our Created Stars and Galaxies, Creation Astronomy Media, DVD, 2012.

[vii] Wayne Spencer, Star Formation and Creation: Can We See Stars Forming?, November 19, 2008, Answer in Genesis, https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/stars/star-formation-and-creation/, accessed June 20, 2014.

[viii] Wayne Spencer, Star Formation and Creation: Can We See Stars Forming?, November 19, 2008, Answer in Genesis, https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/stars/star-formation-and-creation/, accessed June 20, 2014.

[ix] Wayne Spencer, Star Formation and Creation: Can We See Stars Forming?, November 19, 2008, Answer in Genesis, https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/stars/star-formation-and-creation/, accessed June 20, 2014.

[x] Richard A. Kerr, ‘A quickie birth for Jupiters and Saturns’, Science, Vol. 298, November 29, 2002, 1698-9.

Spike Psarris, What You Aren’t Being Told About Astronomy, Vol I Our Created Solar System, Creation Astronomy Media, DVD, 2009.

[xi] Sir Harold Jeffreys, The Earth: Its Origin, History, and Physical Constitution, p. 359.

Spike Psarris, What You Aren’t Being Told About Astronomy, Vol II Our Created Stars and Galaxies, Creation Astronomy Media, DVD, 2012.

[xii] Keith Cooper, When Did the Universe Have the Right Stuff for Planets? September 4, 2012, Astrobiology Magazine, Space.com, http://www.space.com/17441-universe-heavy-metals-planet-formation.html, accessed June 20, 2014.

[xiii] Sun and planets constructed differently than thought, NASA mission suggests, June 24, 2011, NASA/Jet Propulsion Laboratory, ScienceDaily, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110623145430.htm, accessed June 20, 2014.

[xiv] Spike Psarris, Mercury: New Discoveries Delight Creationists, Creation Astronomy and Alpha Omega Institute, http://www.discovercreation.org/newsletters/MercuryNewDiscoveriesDelightCreationists.htm, accessed June 20, 2014.

[xv] Duane Gish, Ph.D., The Solar System – New Descoveries Produce New Mysteries, June 1974, Acts & Facts, Institute for Creation Research, http://www.icr.org/article/solar-system-descoveries-produce-new-mysteries/, accessed June 20, 2014.

[xvi] Jonathan Sarfati, Solar system origin: Nebular hypothesis, July 2010, Creation 32(3): 34-35, Creation Ministries International, http://creation.com/nebular-hypothesis, accessed June 20, 2014.

[xvii] Ken Ham, “When Were Planets Created?”, Last Modified August 26, 2010, Answers in Genesis http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/kw/planets-created, Accessed December 2, 2012.

    2 Comments

  1. I am not a scientist and only have a high school Diploma but I do have common sense.According to current theory of star formation new stars form when a massive star goes nova. The problem with that is stars goes through all the phases of star formation until they explode but when a star like our sun goes to the red giant phase it is because it has used up all it hydrogen and is now burning helium and by the time the star blows all the hydrogen have been used up so where does the hydrogen come from to form new stars?

    Don’t get me wrong, I know that based on the current model(s) our sun is not massive enough to form a nebular in which there will be hydrogen to produce new stars but I am talking about the ones that are large enough based on the current model. They should have used up all their hydrogen so where does the hydrogen come from the produce news stars? Are some of these stars so huge that even after they go nova there is still at least one solar mass of matter(hydrogen)left to star stellar construction?

    And finally,how much hydrogen is used up before the star start using helium and then the heavier elements until it get to iron?

    • Good questions Robert! I agree that there are definitely some huge problems in trying to make a star form naturally. I think the big thing with the Hydrogen gas is – with an expanding Universe and the natural force of diffusion – how can you collect and smash in enough hydrogen gas together in one small enough radius? Gravity is not strong enough and as we know even by experience, gas wants to move away from itself going from high pressure to low pressure. (Simple example – if you were to break a bottle of perfume on one side of the room, it wouldn’t take long for the perfume gas to fill the entire room!)

      Thanks Robert!

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